Could you give me a source or quote where I am incorrect? are somalis 80% sub Saharan African 15% eygptians and 5% ARAB. I can count up to my 12 grandfather and they all were muslim shieks. I already gave some linguistic evidence and there are thousands of more examples of linguistic similarities. It will probably shock the hell out of you. And you have the shrivelled nuts to call ME racist. We know that Black Americans are a different ethnic group with different looks, but how vehemently you bulk at Black Americans like these is interesting. Hebrew and Arabic are the only Semitic languages spoken outside of Africa –there are more Semitic languages spoken in Ethiopia than any other part of the world suggesting that the Semitic languages originated in Africa. R1b in the Ouldeme (Cameroon, about 95%) is typically Eurasian but has been through so many bottlenecks it’s really lost any genetic affinities to Europeans/Asians. Somali people are diverse and yet we notice each other from far distances when we live in europe or America. | “Phylogeographic Analysis of Haplogroup E3b (E-M215) Y Chromosomes Reveals Multiple Migratory Events Within and Out Of Africa” (Page 5), (E3b/M215………….E3b1/M35) Ethiopia, Eritrea, Djibouti and Somali are all Brothers intermarried and mixed. No, and then some more no. Egyptian were euro asian ?! I am actually surprised you haven’t seen these Egyptians on the web. Yet some in my own family even, not all, really dislike being called arab. : ( Log Out / You’ve been in place as a fairly intact population with just a bit of Arab mixed in for over 10k. Sciences has always served politics, remember that during slavery sciences took ages to determine if blacks were humans which leads to excessive treatment in the mid time. Quote me where I said BLACK Americans descend from the melanisians and australians in this post? Try not to think from a biased point of view. And they speak Afro-Asiatic. Maybe you are though which is why you insist on erasing the real history of black Americans to fit into your afro-centric West African propaganda against black America. You”re doing a good job Mathilda37, but from your intervention I can see you’re a bit dans le Eurocentric camp. Yes, things generally don’t; get less coherent with time. This Ethiopian population carrying M35 traveled into Sudan and Egypt where they sat for a long time. M78 is still a Male Marker of the African Continent. don’t worry mathilda ,it’s the new lies from arabocentric and afrocentric ! Now Racially – If you place these people in Nigeria, they will fit right in with us. I think the funniest thing is that he’s tried to title it like a formal publication in the hope people will swallow it. Are you stating that Somalis of today, came from a Cushitic dad and an Arab mother.But… where on earth did these women just came from, think of arab culture before you answer this question, whilst this mixing was occuring where were the Cushitic women. Later after they Re-Occupied Nubia they could now trade with Punt free of aggression from Nubia. Hmm i did know R1 was Arab. My sibling, most of them have light skin and look berebers. published in 2006 found that samples from Naqada II Bronze age Egypt clustered primarily with modern Somalis, Nubians, Arabic-speaking Fellaheen farmers of Israel, and more remotely with some Niger-Congo speaker, while adding that a “Sub-Saharan African element” was not found in the historical North African or Egyptian samples: The Niger-Congo speakers, Congo, Dahomey and Haya, cluster closely with each other and a bit less closely with the Nubian sample – both the recent and the Bronze Age Nubians – and more remotely with the Naqada Bronze Age sample of Egypt, the modern Somalis, and the Arabic-speaking Fellaheen (farmers) of Israel. All my features are beautiful and african. This site uses cookies. My point is that Berbers can’t trace any kind of East African ancestry more recent than about 24k ago, and most of that has been from an expansion in NE Africa which was a mix of Eurasian and African people. However, you do get a settler wave from Asia into Egypt about 8k ago, and multiple texts name Punt as being in Asia. Regardless of what his face looks like they will tell him your people come from ‘Africa a long time ago, from your SNP marker it looks like your people were part of the Bantu Expansion and your progenitor has descendants who are mostly found in Angola.’ – so to speak. Other North African countries; Mauritania, Morocco, Western Sahara, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia, Egypt ALL have some sub-populations of people that are what we call”Black” In Algeria, Libya , Morocco you see it ESPECIALLY when you leave the coast. I have read all of the comments on this post and your underlying tone is that of perceived superiority with disregard and lack of respect to the many people you both write about and receive comments from. I must admit I always had problem with the some classifications based on archeological digs. My father has blue eyes and he looks white. The ancestral homeland of the Ancient Egyptians is Somalia ( Punt). Where did you get that idea? As of this year, scientists have divided humanity into 5 Major Classifications, Mongolid Some of aunties were raped and almost my mom but she hid! The scenes also show myrrh trees being loaded onto the ships so that the Egyptians could produce their own aromatics from them (and it has been argued that this in itself may be an argument for the combined Nile-overland route from Punt to Egypt, given the fact that such plants might well have died during the more difficult voyage northwards along the Red Sea coast). Once again, skin tone is not an indication of more or less admixture. To say, we got our looks from ancient European and Asian ancestors is utter bullocks. {E1b1b1a1b or Variant 32 is what comes Back in Ethiopia/Sudan/Somalia etc} So Somali’s are more or less ethnic Somalis, and are actually indigenous African (with a small trace of Eurasian genes? When you look at the shear number of Germanic, Latin and other european languages being spoken in Europe, you will definitely know that White north Americans and South Americans had there origin in Europe. Don’t get pissy about my using an accurate descriptive word Colette. I dont get what your saying. All a dark…dark skin Afrocentric people were spread all over the planet. pity you! Berbers are essentailly a mediterranean popaultion and not that closely related to black Africans. Somaliland is Referred to in medieval times as Bilad al Barbar (”Land of the Berbers”). Majeerteen DNA results. My point here is Somali’s are quite diverse in looking and what I’m reading from comments is the typical Somali look that some stereotype as the nation’s 3 everyone looks like a tend to generalize. I think also the idea of black Africans being contaminated with Arab ancestry seriously winds tham up too. Link for 10% off! Pingback: The Birth of the Caucasian Race « Robert Lindsay. This is what you aer missing. Information about Punt has been found in ancient Egyptian records of trade missions to this region, previously believed to be in Somalia. Eurasian mt DNA (U and M1) and E3b African father, m78 mixed ancestry son. The fact a language has a word for yam or cattle does not mean they are farmers or herders. V. Almost 13,000-15,000 YEARS LATER —- A man carrying the Ethiopian E3b* that was STILL in Egypt had a mutation called M81 or E3b1b, these guys moved west. Genetics proof only that they share genes, the rest is interpretations. So Somali are 15% eurasian and 5 % sub-Saharan African what others dna makes a somali i(n percentages). If these soldiers marry the indigenous, rape or have a casual interaction, they will definitely put their mark in the current race. The question is, I cannot understand in Y-DNA Terms how two different groups BOTH coming from M2 are not separated but I read two different groups BOTH coming from M35 separated as if they were not Genetic brothers? Thank you for posting this, it is apreciated. Among the surrounding vegetation are palms and myrrh trees, some of the latter already in the process of being hacked apart in order to extract the myrrh. I am Albanian my ancestors lived in Europe for thousands of years, now some ASSyrian is spreading rumours that I am Somali just cause I have the same DNA as Somalis! E-M81 This is not to say that they ancients didn’t come in lighter colors……….But the Brownish Red color you see on the Walls and bas reliefs is more typical of Southern Egyptians rather than Northern ones. After all you posted picture of Asian black tribes a while ago. ”with predominant E3b1 cluster lineages that were introduced into the Somali population 4000–5000 years ago, and that the Somali male population has approximately 15% Y chromosomes from Eurasia and approximately 5% from sub-Saharan Africa”. Somalis show up as 40% Eurasian on autosomal DNA studies A, ahich is about as accurate as you can get. -Somalia only have 6 individuals sampled that were Haplogroup J. There was a genetic input from West Asia when the neolithic arrived in Africa, adn this expanding wave of farmers is probably when E3b1 got established by a founder effect. In Somali males, 14 haplogroups were identified. Mathilda: Why is it that Eurocentrists will say we are related to Eurasians and Afrocentrists will say the opposite. Although I think we were origanally from egypt, and some of us have eurasian blood. but im not gunna lie all my life i have been confused about what the hell i am like if im not considerd full black or asain and not considerd arab what am i? M1 is Asian in origin; get over it, two seperate studies by different people have come to the same conclusion, and not one geneticist currently publishing has felt the need to comment onthat conclusion negatively. M2 is seen it is highest frequency in Senegalese West Africans. Any new thoughts on this are appreciated. It speaks of the “Sharing” of an Ancient Relationship based on These Y Markers even though both groups contain different subsets of Haplogroup A: E3b1 is in East Africa from a Southward migration. My mom is an Amhara, but when digging more in to her grand parents I found out that her dad had an Oromo grand Father and her mom to has an Oromo grand mother. So if humanity started in e. africa it only make sense that we have the features of every racial group in the world, you can find somalis with small eyes like asians, soft hair like indians, skin tone like arabs, and noses like europeans. Somalis have a lot of ancestry from the upper Egypt area from about 20,000 years ago, which itself had an equal mix of Eurasian (ancient Arab) and “African (ancient Sudan). Thank-you for all your comments. My point, its hard to align genetics with: culture and phenotype. So deep-set is some of their insecurity that there’s not much one can do to help. I’ve also noticed that darker skinned Somali’s usually have bone straight hair and look a little like davidians. etc. Also, somalis have a unique way of giving surnames (usually the first name of your father will be your middlename and the first name of your granfather will be your last name) My whole name is quite long as my father, i believe, isn’t mixed. ), and Ibiza, Spain. Yonas/Ekli whatever your current name is…. Yes, there are a few. The M78 mutation (y chromosome) that is present in East Africans occurred in North East Africa, not East Africa, and it occurred in a mixed Eurasian/African population. I found this, It might interest you as to the location of the land of Punt. They like lies, just like Stormfront. Somalis have Eurasian ancestry at about 40%- you guys will vary a lot as a group from very wololy haired and dark to Arab looking. STAN Fair, Stantonlikzaddy The diiference in historic Eurasian migration between upper and lower Egypt is 8% v 3% (Y chr input/2, rounded up). The border has more political and economical background instead of race. Not sure what their Mtdna shows though.. Mathilda37 You say Somalis have Eurasian , Egyptian , Arab , Sub-Saharan genes. E3b1=M35 = Ethiopia It was once thought that the frankincense and other goods the ancient Egyptians boasted of obtaining in Punt suggest a location on the southern coasts of the Arabian Peninsula, but the presence of African animals rules this notion out, as well as the realisation that incense-producing trees also occur in Africa –specifically in abundance in northern Somalia. Population affinties of the Berbers is probably the next title for it. Look up the word ‘Afrocentric’. Do Berbers have “Euro-type” hair? | The LAST populations to have an Ethiopian progenitor were the Berber (M35>M81)only 5600 Years ago and their even YOUNGER Sibling (2700 bp) the Southern African and South East African Groups : Datog, Kung, Kwe, Sandawe, etc. That isn’t closely related. The DNA studies say one thing, but I get masses of spam from irate people insisting they are wrong. To say there are no Black Egyptians is simply not the truth. Niolitic ancestry is very, very possible. to Igbo One of the things you have to grasp with the wall paintings is that they usually aren’t lifelike portraits the way the painted statues are. All the crania studies (Keita inc) point out Lower Egyptians were different to upper, with a closer relationship to Eurasian populations, with upper Egypt being very mixed. Thanks to all. I have a question for you Mathilda. Almost all E1b1b Berbers are M81 Also in the study you can see a digram of the YAP+ Marker. This is great , in fact I would like to use some of your findings. The same way (even though we do not have written history to help proof this fact), of the more than 200 afroasiatic languages which are still spoken today, only a handful (mainly arabic, hebrew, aramaic) are spoken outside the african continent. Re: Somali DNA Results Post by Caesar » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:32 am Anyways this thread is a challenge to all the somalis on this site who claim to be arab, come in and prove yourself, cos it aint looking good. My grandfathers was so white and had blue eyes. E3b isn’t in Europe, E3b1 is- a lot of time and distance between the two. European very pale skin is a recent response to Neolithic grain based diets, something thats much more recent to the rest of the world, which is why hunter gatherer groups have darker skin.. Eskimos eat a lot of vitamin D, they do not require a lighter skin tone. (Agree) It would be like saying the “African Origin of the Ouldeme” – Ignoring the Fact that their main Y Chromosome marker is Non-African” (and hypothetically if they spoke a Non-African language = parallel example with Berbers). Hello people interesting topic, well I am Somali and I’ve always had a concept from parents, family members and other Somalis ever since I can remember that we are different from certain other african countries, I always thought that we are a unique group (until I found out about the Ethiopians and the Eritreans lol), people in my high school and various other place say that Somalis are not Black, I’ve thought about this and I can understand how our features are not like other black people say in west,central and sourthern Africa. They are called NEGRItos for a reason. You never see Japanese anthroplogist going to North America and studying house wives in suburbia. Our mtdna is quite varied but mainly haplogroup M and various other haplogroups such as pre-hv etc but no Bantu mtdna. Somalia has nothing do with with Berbers at all, genetically or culturally. and what is Somalids ? More accurate? so ! Its makes for great clarification when you look at Haplogroup E and the TWO large population expansions. It’s all ludicrous. I’m a product of my parent and have not so dark skin very small almond shaped eyes(almost resembling asian) and not so much of a sharp nose. BTW, Caucasoid features are ‘not from Africa’ they evolved in Eurasia. I believe, the explorers, the traders from other countries also have contributed a lot to the gen-pull apart from the inter marriage between different clan and race in the country. berbers are not closely related to black africans but a lot closely related to europeans this is the truth (Igbo) ! In comparison Changing K to H you have in Arabic: Huwa (the one), Hiwa, Huwana Actually No, I’ve had a lot of trouble getting detail on Somali mt DNA. But when it comes to genetics that is not true. You can pick any sample from anywhere in somalia, ethiopia, kenya, or djibouti and compare them and without any surprise you’ll find them same. Somalis are about half made up of these very ancient Egyptian people. Yeah, Egyptsearch is just as bad as those retards at Stormfront. there were people living there before those egyptians came.It is true that the ancient egyptians reffered somalia as the land of punt which means the land of milk and honey, and somalia was a part of the ancient egyptian kingdom, the obvious reason for egyptians to travel to somalia was for the purpose of trade, one of the major things the egyptians were found of was the stones that gave off a parfume like scent when it is burnt, many somalis use these stones in there house to make the area smell good. V13’s ancestors never came from Somalia, they share a common ancestor from upper Egypt that moved South into Somali and also NE into Europe (m78). Limited applicability of DNA racial analysis in dicing up closely related population. the first round of dna … E-M78 Couldn’t it be that those feature originated in Africa and spread to Europe. Not these Ancestry tests. If you have, did you notice many of the different tones that you saw in Egypt? I’ve read the DNA studies. And yet with no evidence to support you, you feel free to have a shreiking pissy fit and declare its alll racist BS becasue you don’t like it, Yonas. Black yes, but they have a lot of ancestry that came back to Africa from Asia a very long time ago. I’ve seen many people around the would belonging to this tribe and we all have similar features. if we then take a look at pre pleiostine african north and east africa were khoikhoi or capoid areas indigenously . The only black African groups any ancient Egyptians population (Badarians)show any similarity to are the Somalis, Ethiopians and other groups of mixed ancestry- which is unsurprising as the Badaraians seem to be a mix of Eurasian and East African just like them but slightly higher in Eurasian. As for Punt, there’s more evidence locating it somewhere in the Arabian peninsula than in Somalia. 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